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boehner? >> it depends on what the headlines are. so the president said the clear majority voted for a balanced approach. but there's a lot of debate about what that means. representative boehner i thought was much more into fighting words over there. listen to what he said. increasing the tax rates is the wrong approach to take. he said there was a stalemate in the talks with the white house. look at the dow industrials. we did move down around 25, 30 points as his comments came out. he said we're almost nowhere in the talks. sitting right near the lows for the day. if you look at the overall sectors that are moving today, pretty much balanced on either side. pretty much even on the balance-decline line. worries about higher taxes on dividend paying stocks seem to be -- >> lows for the day but not violent downstrokes here. >> i think the problem is we'll have trouble moving into positive territory at the close. a lot of concerns about headline risks over the weekend. we could be down 10, 15 on the s&p monday morning on something tha
boehner? >> it depends on what the headlines are. so the president said the clear majority voted for a balanced approach. but there's a lot of debate about what that means. representative boehner i thought was much more into fighting words over there. listen to what he said. increasing the tax rates is the wrong approach to take. he said there was a stalemate in the talks with the white house. look at the dow industrials. we did move down around 25, 30 points as his comments came out. he...
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>> i think there's no volatile ty on boehner's comments because geithner's comments were out there last noor nigight for eveo see. we're not going to hear anything sensible. now it becomes a time clock issue. i think sometime around the third week in december if you think the last hour was volatile going from minus 20 to plus 4, you ain't seen nothing yet. all the guests like the economy. i'm not disputing good things, but gdp didn't have a lot of consumption. today, personal income and spending, the spending was down a couple tenths. next week we have two jobs reports. one could argue the combination might be barely above the 171 from just the bls last month. people can't spend without jobs. same old story in my opinion. >> yeah, but david kelly, what about that? i know you don't want to be a short-term trader and have these knee-jerk reactions. let's face it. if we go over the fiscal cliff and this market takes a hit, i mean, there's a lot of room for disappointment in this market. this market is trading as if a deal gets done by the end of the year. if we don't, we could see a sizabl
>> i think there's no volatile ty on boehner's comments because geithner's comments were out there last noor nigight for eveo see. we're not going to hear anything sensible. now it becomes a time clock issue. i think sometime around the third week in december if you think the last hour was volatile going from minus 20 to plus 4, you ain't seen nothing yet. all the guests like the economy. i'm not disputing good things, but gdp didn't have a lot of consumption. today, personal income and...
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representative boehner says we're almost nowhere on the talks. this is where it happened right here. have you noticed that we've gone essentially in where? this is a very, very small trading range that we are in. this is not statistically significant. senator mcconnell says the white house offer was almost comical? that's like insulting commentary back and forth to each other. senator mcconnell said there's nothing better going on privately. nothing going on privately? and the market didn't really react. you could see this is discouraging to see all this mud slinging but i'd go with what the market is saying. so far they still believe that number one, a deal is going to happen sooner than later and that it will be substantive. i'd hold on here before anybody gets too concerned. on the week if you just look at the trading patterns here, you can see the sector hurt the most on the worries about higher taxes, utilities has. the best week far and away. it's really bounced back now. other sectors are sort of on the mixed side. by and large, we're abou
representative boehner says we're almost nowhere on the talks. this is where it happened right here. have you noticed that we've gone essentially in where? this is a very, very small trading range that we are in. this is not statistically significant. senator mcconnell says the white house offer was almost comical? that's like insulting commentary back and forth to each other. senator mcconnell said there's nothing better going on privately. nothing going on privately? and the market didn't...
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i think the response by boehner was appropriate. disappointment and totally unrealistic. >> you made it very clear that -- guy said -- you walked away from the talks. no, no, no, no. he said no. >> they have to give a numbers -- do the republicans have -- >> no, no, no. >> it is still -- up to obama -- >> they are so far off the mark. a lot of the comments -- you shouldn't be following it day by day because it is ridiculous. i mean, there's bluffing, will's posturing. so this isn't serious. i mean, if you were in a business deal you wouldn't be going public with this stuff. i mean, the conversation would be more serious. and you would be closer. they show that deal. >> i don't even understand how we get to what you just talked about which is close to simpson-bowles from where we are right now. i mean -- i understand that that might the best thing for the country. based on where the talks have gone to this point -- >> remember, last summer, they got close to simpson-bowles. when the deal broke apart. >> we are a lot farther away from
i think the response by boehner was appropriate. disappointment and totally unrealistic. >> you made it very clear that -- guy said -- you walked away from the talks. no, no, no, no. he said no. >> they have to give a numbers -- do the republicans have -- >> no, no, no. >> it is still -- up to obama -- >> they are so far off the mark. a lot of the comments -- you shouldn't be following it day by day because it is ridiculous. i mean, there's bluffing, will's...
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we still have public posturing politically from speaker boehner and the president. do you make anything of that? is the market becoming immune to the public outcry or what? >> you know, i don't know about the public outcry issue, but i can tell you this. it doesn't surprise me that on a friday the stock market would pay less attention to the tape bombs than other days because of the weekend and the issues of trading and any surprises that come up. i would doubt if you're going to even see much movement in the last hour. treasuries, on the other hand -- well, actually, they're very similar. but where you start to see something different is as our guest was talking about. move outside of treasuries. if you look at barclays, whether it's their high-yield index or investment index, they're not at their best levels, but they've been big movers. the biggest issue is the taxes surrounding munis. that was started in '07. all-time new highs today. even if you look at the lipper or barclay indices, it reflects the same thing. in a way, it's sad. in a way, it isn't. it undersc
we still have public posturing politically from speaker boehner and the president. do you make anything of that? is the market becoming immune to the public outcry or what? >> you know, i don't know about the public outcry issue, but i can tell you this. it doesn't surprise me that on a friday the stock market would pay less attention to the tape bombs than other days because of the weekend and the issues of trading and any surprises that come up. i would doubt if you're going to even see...
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gary, boehner i think is going to talk later this afternoon too. >> the markets will move as we pointed out yesterday for whatever it is worth it will move on this. i have to tell you reflecting on today's show, obviously chris waddell blows me away. david kostin realistic. the guy has been right more than wrong and has good reasons for his thesis which is what is most important. i will tell you this. i'll be out next week but i am putting together my 2013 we all have to do it at cnbc.com, my 2013 outlook piece and what i chose to do was go and speak to the people that have been the most right, the best experts i've spoken to all year. i have to tell you most people in that kostin camp up
gary, boehner i think is going to talk later this afternoon too. >> the markets will move as we pointed out yesterday for whatever it is worth it will move on this. i have to tell you reflecting on today's show, obviously chris waddell blows me away. david kostin realistic. the guy has been right more than wrong and has good reasons for his thesis which is what is most important. i will tell you this. i'll be out next week but i am putting together my 2013 we all have to do it at...
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speaker boehner nose knows we need an agreement. three, this is the rare period in american politics where you can have governance with less politics. number four, you have a forcing mechanism. that happens very rarely, so those -- all those factors come together. i believe one of these weekends the president and speaker will get in a room and desire this things. >> we were there in the summer of 2011. we were there. i'm not saying it was i had k58, but the speaker and the president were very, very close. last question, judd gregg, why do you think it will work this time when it didn't work in the summer of 2011? >> this is the advantage of both sides to govern. we're note leading up to an election. >> it's better to do it after an election. >> people want the country to be governed. >> a real deal or establish another cliff? >> the first step will be very significant i think. the second step will be directions to the ways and means and finance committee on tax reform. >> this could be done without destroying the economy, but you ar
speaker boehner nose knows we need an agreement. three, this is the rare period in american politics where you can have governance with less politics. number four, you have a forcing mechanism. that happens very rarely, so those -- all those factors come together. i believe one of these weekends the president and speaker will get in a room and desire this things. >> we were there in the summer of 2011. we were there. i'm not saying it was i had k58, but the speaker and the president were...